"From the beginning of the episode, it was pretty clear the gist of it was going to be that abstinence is off the table and we're going to make the celibacy club look like the nerds convention essentially. There was very little doubt — despite the sort of lip service the show gave to responsible sexual activity — that the gist of the show was lap dances with students is cool, the celibacy club is not, and when it's presented in that way, it really cheapens whatever discussion there is aboutUm, WHO CARES? I remember when I was in high school, everyone DID think abstinence was lame. They even went on to diss Gwyneth Paltrow's character, Holly Holiday's teaching techniques...
consequence and responsibility."
"If you had a real-life instance of that, I think it's fair to say the teacher involved would no longer be a teacher, but somehow it's acceptable for a fictional teacher to do this. Again, this is a real problem. Real-world teachers don't lap dance with their students."These people do know that she's a character right? Right. Then why is it an issue if REAL teacher's aren't doing it. Like they said, "the teacher involved would no longer be a teacher." Okay, so, what's the problem?
Dan Isett, the group's head
"I'm sure if you were to talk to Fox or [creator] Ryan Murphy, they would say they're trying to present an honest portrayal, and that it makes it easier for kids to talk to their parents about these issues, and all of that is certainly commendable. But at the same time, the show is based on making sexual content look cool. That's why it's a popular show.”For some reason, this sickens me. Are people THAT mental and insecure with what plays on T.V? This is why our shows are so tamed and prude in America when compared to others. I mean really now, does it REALLY matter what a fictional show portrays? If they dressed up in purple cyclops suits and ate glass, would the PTC have something to say then?
Now, going back to the "tamed and prude" comment, here's an example: The US Skins and why it bombed. I mean, sure, it's a terrible show, but it wouldn't be as bad if they didn't censor it so much it. If you don't want YOUR kids watching certain shows, then don't let them! I think parents don't want to face the fact that their kids are just like (or sometimes worse) than the students projected on shows like Glee, that they don't want to be reminded of anything that remotely mirror's their children's behavior.
It's JUST a show. It's not real and these characters and story is just made up from the genius mind of Ryan Murphy & Co.
Sorry for the rant...this is a major pet peeve of mine.
11.96 million people tuned into Glee's 'Sexy'....see it's not ALL bad ;)
What do you think? Team Catherine or Team PTC? Is Glee all bad or are the Parent Television Council just being over-dramatic like one of Rachel's tantrums?
I totally agree with you!If people don't like a show, don't watch it or don't let your kids watch it. And don't ruin it for everyone else!
ReplyDeletePTC is being ridiculous! First, Glee wasn't necessarily saying abstinence was lame just that it's unrealistic and that teens need to know that sex can have consequences and they need to be safe. i thought Glee was doing a great job at portraying this as an issue with not only sex but also gay couples as well! i personally loved this episode: it had good music, was funny and had a serious/emotional story line.
ReplyDeleteand with Holly's character, you're so right, she's a FICTIONAL character! its not like teachers are going to watch Glee and think "hey i should do something like that with my students" NO!
its just a FICTIONAL tv show!
PTC is definitely being WAY over-dramatic!
i'm on neither team. i think both camps are being over-dramatic and that both have good points. the ptc is correct in that you become what you surround yourself with. catherine, you're correct in that most viewers will not watch and think "this is exactly how i should act"...these characters and situations are fictional. however, i did think the episode made it seem that they only way to be cool or to fit in or to be/express yourself was to be "sexually active" (juno hates that term, i'm not particularly fond of it either).
ReplyDeleteanon #2...you say that abstinence is unrealistic for teens. i survived the teenage years without giving in (and so did several of my friends who were't necessarily associated with a particular religion) and it's not like i didn't have offers. what these shows and characters say is that teens have no self-control, so don't worry about it just give in...as long as you're "safe". we cheapen teens when we say things like this: "oh well, you're just gonna do it anyway, so here's a condom". if we don't think enough of teens (or anyone) to have the self-control and courage to not act on every urge they have then we don't think very much about them period. just a little pet peeve of MINE
@Theresa: Whateves. Frankly, I could careless about what teens do in real life or in a fictional show. I could also careless about what parents are attempting to do to try to "help" them.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I do think that parents should worry more about what their own children are doing instead of worrying about what characters are doing.
@catherine then why are you writing for a blog that talks about what teen characters do on a show?
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ReplyDeleteI would sit down and explain but I'm not. I'm just going to say: Because I want to.
That's why.
If you have an issue, you can definitely take it up with Daryl and Ashley :)
I watch vampire shows but I have not grown fangs and started to bite people. If one can not make the difference between fiction and reality, then maybe he/she needs to be evaluated. If we start looking for the deeper context in everything that is on TV, OH MY!
ReplyDeleteOh, and to think that our sons and daughters will be influenced by a fictional show - it is not insulting to teenagers!?! Lets just say that they are just these mindless robots who await every day for some TV show to tell them what is cool and how to act. Where is the "trust" in our youth if we automatically assume that our teenagers are some kind of single cell organisms who lack a back bone!?! Is it that we don't trust ourselves with our "good" parenting skills and sense of accomplishment?
Sadly, most parents trough the years have forgotten what it means to be a parent and have forfeited their rights as such to their television sets, electronic games and ect. The TV raises their children ( if I had a dime for every time someone said to me that the TV is the BEST babysitter) and it is only natural to want responsibly and accountability from the shows that are on it. This is how one such parent gives oneself the sense of carring. In other words it is not the lack of loving parenting the cause for our youth to be on the down slide it is the ever BAD TV.
^^^^hahahaha i couldnt agree more! Truer words have never been written!!!
ReplyDeletealso, you don't have to CARE about what FAKE characters do to write for this or any site, hence why Cat writes about the gossip section of news and REAL people.
pleeeeeease, she is GCO's princess.